Their ratings have improved significantly as well; Olbermann is strongly competitive with O'Reilly in the 25-54 demographic and Rachel Maddow, as a sub for Olbermann, even defeated him fairly handily in this demographic fairly easily last Friday.

The only people that have been unbiased in this race have been Abrams and Maddow; everyone is just holding Obama's water.

I wasn't suggesting that Obama and MSNBC were in cahoots over Hillary's statement today and the coverage it would receive. I don't believe they were.

My point is it just seems to me that MSNBC  in particular has done everything they can to promote Obama and pan Hillary from the beginning, thinking perhaps that if Obama wins the White House, they will have ingratiated themselves to him, and paved the way for a Faux News/Bush administration type relationship.

Your comments tend to be more than a wee bit trollish and I hever said she brought up MLK.  What I did say is that political assasinations remain a wound on this country from a historical perspective.  2008 marks the 40th anniversary of MLK and RFK's slayings, do you really think for those who lived through these horrible tragedies that her statements wouldn't be considered insensitive.

Try taking your damned blinders off.

I don't consider her comments malicious, but they sure as hell were stupid and ultimately tragic for her reputation.  I take no joy in that, but my guess is judging from your comment history that if it happened to Obama, you'd dance in glee.

Thanks for playing.

Rage...you know me much better than the comment you just posted...

Okay...I am sick and tired of people saying Hillary has run the negative campaign in this election!

Let's take a look at the facts, which as they say, tend to be stubborn things.

1.) July 27th, 2007:
Obama Says Clinton Is `Bush-Cheney Lite'
"I don't want Bush-Cheney lite," he told reporters yesterday. "I want a fundamental change."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/27/us/pol itics/27clinton.html?_r=1&oref=slogi n

Sounds pretty negative to me

2.) Michelle Obama on Good Morning America:

ROBERTS: So what if Senator Clinton defeats her husband, becoming the first woman nominee. Could you see yourself working to support the first woman nomination?

OBAMA: I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that, her policies, her approach, her tone.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02 04

Didn't see this one blown up in the media

3.) Jesse Jackson Jr. on MSNBC right before the South Carolina Primary

"...there were tears that melted the Granite State. And those are tears that Mrs. Clinton cried on that day, clearly moved voters. She somehow connected with those voters.
But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/01/obama_campaign_cochair_q uestions_hillarys_tears.php

Yeah; Bill's the one who injected race into the campaign :)

4.) General McPeak speaking to a crowd (while Senator Obama stood right next to him) about a comment Bill Clinton made the day before:

McPeak, a former chief of staff of the Air Force and currently a co- chair of Obama's presidential campaign, said that sounded like McCarthy.

"I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it," McPeak said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id= D8VIB4QO0&show_article=1

I mean, are you kidding me, comparing Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy! That one blew my mind

5.) General Walter Stewart on an Obama Campaign conference call:

"One of the inherent duties of the president of the United States is to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier on Memorial Day," said Gen. Walter Stewart on an Obama campaign conference call on the issue of Bosnia...Imagine the lack of moral authority she has now to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier on Memorial Day."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/04/19/clinton-camp-obama-was-a-hypocri te-from-day-one/

Wow, the politics of hope at its finest

6.) Claire McCaskill on Barack Obama

What this man has done, Barack Obama, is, he, for the first time I think, as a black leader in America, has come to the American people not as a victim, but rather as a leader.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/mccaskill-obama.html

Just wondering what would have happened if Bill Clinton said that...

7.) McPeak again on Hillary:

The advisor, retired Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, said in a telephone interview that Obama has "real gravitas, not artificially created, focus-grouped, poll-directed, rehearsed gravitas."

He also said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60" -- references to Clinton's much-publicized show of emotion during the New Hampshire primary campaign and her speech after winning the contest in which she declared that she had "found my voice."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02 /obama-adviser-barack-do_n_84581.html

Honestly, I could give you dozens of examples but I'm tired and would like to catch up on some 30 Rock.

But seriously, enough of the Hillary's been more negative drama. Barack Obama is a politician and he is not adverse to playing dirty.

That diary was written to show that Senator Obama had dished as much as he was given. This diary is written to point out that Hillary is being hit with womthing by the media that is beyond wrong and false...it is completely malicious!

you're wrong Rage...I was never a part of that. I think he was taken way out of context on that!

I think '80 and '84 are much better examples. But she might have been wary of using those examples because both took it to the convention. I for one, am not sure whether she intends to do that or not. Using either example might have been interpreted as a clear signal she was.

It's called catch-22

Give this a week to settle in before quoting polls. I'm sorry, but polling 6 months outside the actual election is vague enough to be meaningless, and there's more than enough leeway with Edwards or another known name (which is all polling a VP name now really is).

She blew her chance with this and its at the level where very, very few politicians come back from. You don't misspeak about political assassination in the manner she did - you just don't.

You mention emotion, passion, and hurt. Clinton inadvertently (I stress that word) reopened one of the rawest wounds of our political history - our history of assassination. I understand that her supporters are passionate and emotionally involved and hurt. But Clinton screwed up, and she did so all by herself. She's an adult, a professional politician, and a smart person. Female equality does not equate to getting a free pass time and again, and it doesn't equate to not facing up to your mistakes and facing the consequences.

What she said was terribly, horribly offensive, dumb, and pointless. There are very few people who are going to be able to say otherwise, even while understanding what she really meant. And the fact is, part of her job as an elected leader is not to say things like that.

That seems to miss upstate girl's point entirely. The point is not that a unity ticket would not have been good for the party, but that (in upstate girl's opinion) what Clinton said was sufficiently beyond the pale (even though it was accidental) that Clinton becomes non-viable as the VP choice (having a VP who once seemed to say that she was staying in the race because the nominee might get assassinated has a very bad flavor, and is an impetus to any murderously crazy Clinton supporter out there).

You may be right, a unity ticket may have been the best thing for us all, but that doesn't contradict the idea that there are things Clinton could say that would put her beyond the pale as the VP choice. I'm not as sure as upstate girl that this gaffe put her beyond the pale, but I can see the argument. More accurately, it didn't put her beyond the pale forme, but I suspect that upstate girl may be right that it did put her beyond the pale. We'll never actually know one way or the other, unless Clinton is actually the VP choice, since if Obama doesn't pick Clinton as his VeeP, he certainly isn't going to explain why.